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07 July 2009 @ 11:18 am
After a wait of more than a year, this flawed, beautiful, brave show of which I am inordinately fond, has returned! \o/

I've had longer to cogitate about Day One, because I saw it at the BFI preview showing a couple of weeks ago. So my squeeing happened quietly where I couldn't spoil anyone. I love Jack and Ianto being rubbish about relationships, Jack being commitment-phobic and Ianto being insecure. I love it that Ianto is gay only for Jack, because that is my personal canon, or rather, I think Ianto is gay for Time Agents/51st century pheromones :)

I loved both Jack's daughter and Ianto's sister, particularly Ianto's sister, who was very believable and warm, and her reaction, and her partner's, seemed very real to me. But although I loved the fact of Jack's daughter, I was unhappy with her treatment of him - for god's sake be angry with him about something he can help, or change! That's like being angry for someone for having brown hair, or having asthma or something. It's not like he can stop being immortal. Just because he makes you feel old is no reason to reject him - do normal parents reject their children because they make them feel old? No.

My downsides to this ep is that that Rusty has torn away lots more things that make Torchwood what it is. Owen and Tosh last series, and now the SUV is stolen, and the Hub is no more... That's what hit me the most watching the ep again last night. Jack will put himself back together, but the Hub won't. I love the Hub. It's like another character, and now it's gone. If there will be a fourth series, which seems less likely now, where the hell will it be set? :( Unless Rusty is planning on resetting Torchwood at the end of the week?

Quick reactions to the radio plays: Asylum, could see what it was trying to do, but found it dull. The Golden Age, a standard kind of episode, that would have been visually beautiful if it had been filmed, but lost a lot of impact as a radio play (and also they couldn't have afforded to film it), but they seemed to treat their audience as though we were stupid, which lost it brownie points. The Dead Line, the best of them, with an exciting plot, that got me invested, and extra love for the Jack/Ianto interaction. Considering Phil Ford ran away at the merest hint of a slashy conversation at the Hub 2, he wrote some lovely slash here, which again, fitted my personal canon beautifully!

I'm crossing my fingers for the rest of the week, because I'm really hoping that they don't cock it up...
Quinnquinn222 on July 7th, 2009 10:36 am (UTC)
My downsides to this ep is that that Rusty has torn away lots more things that make Torchwood what it is. Owen and Tosh last series, and now the SUV is stolen, and the Hub is no more..

I think that was a major part of the set-up for this. Take away all the toys and see how they deal with the crisis. They are shorthanded and operating without their base. It adds a big challenge and twist but it takes away the claustrophobic feel TW sometimes had in the past.
Valderys: Ianto - can't rain all the time?valderys on July 7th, 2009 10:59 am (UTC)
But I liked the claustrophobic feel of Torchwood! I liked the idea of a small team hiding in the shadows, desperate and clinging on to save the world, under the ground, while the rest of the world carries on in the light, oblivious. The Hub at least could have been screwed in a different way - pop it in it's Timelock, for example. It didn't have to die!! Torchwood kills too many people.
Quinnquinn222 on July 7th, 2009 11:08 am (UTC)
I agree but in this case they really needed to get the team out of the Hub. Five hours all in a row and one story. I think it would have been too much.
I'm not so sure the Hub is a total goner, it can be repaired.
Kalypso: Perversitykalypso_v on July 7th, 2009 01:52 pm (UTC)
They could all move into the nice house with roses in the garden that Rhys was trying to view. Might make it easier for Gwen to juggle work and childcare.
Quinnquinn222 on July 7th, 2009 04:10 pm (UTC)
They could all move into the nice house with roses in the garden that Rhys was trying to view.

That would actually be very funny. Someone needs to write that.
Kalypso: Perversitykalypso_v on July 7th, 2009 04:22 pm (UTC)
There'd be endless complaints from the neighbours about screeching brakes, screeching weevils, and general signs of the apocalypse. They'd have to keep sending Jack round to deliver his most charming apologies, followed up by retcon in the resulting cup of tea.
tiki b.: TW countrycide iantotikiaceae on July 7th, 2009 10:38 am (UTC)
If there will be a fourth series, which seems less likely now

Hunh? WHAT??? REALLY???!!!! They can't do that! Why would they DO that! Don't say it!!!
Valderys: Ianto - can't rain all the time?valderys on July 7th, 2009 11:02 am (UTC)
Sorry, hon, I'm being pessimistic. We don't know either way. I just wonder where they're going to set it, if they do...
saraocallaghansaraocallaghan on July 9th, 2009 01:08 pm (UTC)
Well the viewing figures for the first day were very good! So fingers crossed that it stays that way and Auntie Beeb is good and loves us and Rusty and recommissions it.
David Brider: Torchwood - Ianto sexydavidbrider on July 7th, 2009 10:41 am (UTC)
The Radio Times previews suggest that some kind of cock-up might happen around ep 4. But I hope not.

OTOH, I hope that Rusty does press the reset button, at least as far as the Hub is concerned. 'Cos yeah, you're right - it'll be missed.

Hasn't Rusty said (possibly at the BFI preview screening) that they're prepping a fourth series? Doesn't mean it's definitely going to happen, of course, but I can't imagine them going to the trouble of prepping and planning it unless there's a fairly good possibility of it happening...

I'm half way through the second radio play now - nice to know I've got some slash to look forward to in the third. :o)
chandlershawchandlershaw on July 7th, 2009 11:30 am (UTC)
Many many scripts get prepared in anticipation for many shows that never see the light of day. Its the way the industry works apparently so I wouldn't set too much store either way on the fact that scripts are being written...and unused scripts sometimes appear later as books etc.
Valderys: Ianto & Gwen - soldiersvalderys on July 7th, 2009 12:32 pm (UTC)
As I remember, he said they were hopeful for a fourth series, it depends on how well this week goes. I don't think there are any kind of guarantees. My heart is in my mouth - I wish they'd stuck to nice and safe BBC2...
Gaspodegaspode on July 7th, 2009 02:32 pm (UTC)
Rusty being Rusty has ALSO said that this is it at the end of this there will be no possible way of bringing it back due to titanic happenings...

But yes - he has later said they might be prepping a fourth series as has Barrowman ..

So as usual - who knows ...

smirnoffmule on July 7th, 2009 10:47 am (UTC)
I didn't realised you'd gone to the screening, you lucky ducky!

I just want to know what happened to Myfanwy ):
Valderys: Ianto - OMGvalderys on July 7th, 2009 11:08 am (UTC)
Yeah, it was good! I joined the BFI in order to make sure I got a ticket. I bumped into a fangirl I hadn't seen since the Rift. And I still didn't grab her lj! Doh!

And Myfanwy! I hadn't thought about Myfanwy! Oh noes. God, they better do a reset...
smirnoffmule on July 7th, 2009 11:29 am (UTC)
I really hope they at least deal with what happened to her, and don't just forget about her on the grounds the pterodactyl is just too cracky for BBC1. Or because they couldn't be bothered. I hate when animals die on TV and nobody cares. If it doesn't get dealt with on screen, I am considering it my life's work to write it in fic. Well, my life's work for the, what, hour, that it will take.

Incidentally, can I draw your attention here, for when next we meet? (Hub 3? :D )
Valderys: Theoden - fear no darknessvalderys on July 7th, 2009 12:40 pm (UTC)
I bet they won't even bother to mention it - although if it does reset then presumably Myfanwy will reset along with the rest of it. Or... She could have been blown out of the roof, propelled with the explosion and then flown on to freedom - you should definitely write it! *nods firmly*

As for the other thing - I hadn't spotted the post, so thanks for pointing that out, hon! I'm glad you're in a better place, which is the important thing, and as for changing names? To me it's *shrug*. I've known people who've done this before, so no worries. In fact, one friend of mine has changed his name approximately every two years for the ten years or so that I've known him! :)

I can't say I might not slip, but I think of you as smirnoffmule more anyway!
smirnoffmule on July 7th, 2009 12:49 pm (UTC)
Yeah, I never stop thinking of people as their usernames, on at least some level. Slips totally forgivable, but you're welcome to just call me smirnoffmule if it makes life easier!
chandlershawchandlershaw on July 7th, 2009 11:31 am (UTC)
...and presumably they have blown up Gray, Tosh, Owen and Suzie - assuming they were all in storage in The Hub.
Valderys: Ianto - OMGvalderys on July 7th, 2009 12:42 pm (UTC)
You know that was one of my first thoughts? I've been busy plotting out a fic in my head that involved Gray getting out and taking over the world (again) :)
Kalypso: Perversitykalypso_v on July 7th, 2009 01:53 pm (UTC)
I wouldn't have thought they had any bits of Owen to store? Wasn't he dispersed?
chandlershawchandlershaw on July 7th, 2009 02:12 pm (UTC)
Quite right! Got carried away with myself there ;D
colouring outside of the lines: phones aren't workinglight_the_sky76 on July 7th, 2009 12:15 pm (UTC)
particularly Ianto's sister, who was very believable and warm, and her reaction, and her partner's, seemed very real to me
I thought it was very real too, that's one of the things I liked about the episode. It was a little bit of well observed realism in the middle of lots of sci fi stuff.
Valderys: Ianto - can't rain all the time?valderys on July 7th, 2009 12:43 pm (UTC)
I've got to say, I do think Rusty's good at that kind of thing. I'm looking forward to him having a go at something more that isn't Dr Who related...
prochytes: Clever Toshprochytes on July 7th, 2009 12:53 pm (UTC)
I am very happy as well. Day One was immensely enjoyable. Apart from the things you mentioned, I very much liked Rhys's contribution to proceedings, and Gwen getting the chance to flex her muscles as Old!School-Detectoring/Social Interactions Monkey. It is good to be reminded of the very particular skill-set that she brings to the Team.

I too hope that we have not seen the last of the Hub. To preserve some optimism here, worse things have been weathered by other people's Secret Bases. The Bat-Cave was once hit by an earthquake that caused half of Stately Wayne Manor to fall into it, for example. And while TW may not quite be able to compete financially with Wayne Enterprises, it does still seem to be wealthy enough for refurbishments (I also very much liked Gwen's digression on her reaction to her first pay cheque).

[Honesty also compels me to admit that my inner Very Shallow Person hopes that the hot evil lady in black leather becomes Gwen's Slashy Nemesis. Why should Jack and the Doctor hog all the fun in this regard? I do have a very soft spot for the rivalries of antagonistic Action Girls.]

The radio plays struck me as mostly efficient rather than inspired. Once again, Rhys's contribution to The Dead Line was much appreciated. My favourite, in fact, was Golden Age, mostly for the snappy dialogue and the appealing possibilities of Jack/RPS fics set in the declining days of the Raj. "There's nothing like a well-thumbed Kipling". Tee hee.
{    ♫ siri ♫    }: ♁ + jack&ianto + just a tastethisissirius on July 7th, 2009 01:32 pm (UTC)
It makes me sad that the Hub has been torn away from them. I am intrigued as to where they are taking this show this week and jkshdkjs only seven hours to go, haha!

I need them to make it work and for it to be interesting and not far-fetched enough. They've done a good job with all of the characters so far; Gwen's little good morning to the photo of Owen and Tosh was a nice touch. The Jack and Ianto interaction was interesting and constantly made me smile, even when things were complicated and not clear-cut.

I LOVE TORCHWOOD. I love that I'm getting back into my shows again and that, so far, they are not disappointing me.

Ianto's sister and brother-in-law were so SPOT ON. Jack's daughter makes me go :( a lot because she was blaming him for something out of his control, although in relation to Simon I think she did right. Jack did just want Simon to 'experiment' on him and I agree totally that he's dangerous like that; that Ianto was for wanting to take Mischa in the same way. They're treading that fine line, as usual, and I just LOVED IT.

So excited for tonight.
Kalypso: Perversitykalypso_v on July 7th, 2009 03:04 pm (UTC)
Possibly Alice finds the other stuff too painful to shout about, and picks a safe grouse instead. I think Jack might be up there with Vic Tyler in my list of Fathers to Avoid.