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04 April 2008 @ 10:26 pm
Tochwood finale reprise  
Reactions... Well, it hurt more than I thought it would. I wasn't expecting double the pain, for a start. I thought it was going to be Owen OR Tosh, not both. I hoped it wasn't going to be Ianto - at least that part came true.

BUT the characterisation... oh yes, baby! They finally got it nailed! The death scenes, both of them, were perfect. They hit all the right notes, I blubbed like a girl.

Captain John - they made him a hero!! That was fantastic. I love Captain John, and they made him beautifully evil, and then they redeemed him. Oh, Captain John being all noble at the end. I could have kissed him myself. Why, Jack, why? Couldn't you have hugged him, at least? (I know, I know - Jack still blames him, he's not part of the team, they were in mourning etc. etc. - I just want my cake, and then death - oh, I mean more cake :)

OTOH the crap bit was Jack being buried for 1900 years. I mean WTF? He should have come out of that experience more barking than Battersea - or, at least, they could have picked a much less ridiculous timescale, for a start. I think, in my head, John goes back in time with his rift manipulator some time in the future, when he's got it fixed again, and drags Jack out of the ground a few days/weeks later, and ferries him to Victorian times, then buries him again. Otherwise it MAKES NO SENSE AT ALL.

Grey - for a super villain, did anyone else find him a bit boring? I don't understand. I think the actor basically wasn't playing it insane enough - if he'd been boring at the beginning and then went insane and had a mad cackle-fest later on, I would have found him far more interesting. Oh, boo hoo, you were tortured and went mad on your own except for a pile corpses. Big deal - your brother was what? Thirteen? Also. You could have got up again, and kept running. You were a big boy - at least nine. ON a world that knew what it meant to be captured by these creatures. BUT if the experience has driven you insane - I want to see it! And another thing, do you think the corpse pile thing means that Grey is probably a cannibal? I bet it does.

So, in some sort of conclusion - Tosh in particular had a brilliant death scene. Puts the kybosh on a lot of fic though, I find it hard to write fic for characters who are dead. But she went out a hero, they both did, and that's what matters.
Katlinel the Darkeyed: Tea and Biscuitskatlinel on April 4th, 2008 10:10 pm (UTC)
Tosh was briliant. Her "you're breaking my heart line" nearly did for mine. I wept a little weep.

Both Tosh and Owen going was a surprise. I wasn't surprised they took Owen out (but I'll miss Burn Gorman), but Tosh too. Eek! (I'd managed to avoid spoilers so I didn't know anyone was going to be killed.) However, I wonder if Tosh has left some more video messages - that might work in a fic?
Valderys: Tea and Pillsvalderys on April 4th, 2008 10:23 pm (UTC)
Oh, wasn't that line good? My heart lurched a little too - and then her being such a brave little toaster and not telling Owen she was dying too... Another wah.

I wasn't spoiled for what precisely happened, but voiceovers kept going on about the drama and tension, and in interviews the actors talked about the sadness involved, and basically the title was a heavy hint to me - Exit Wounds. I thought somebody was going to have to die, especially as they'd already done the fake death thing with Owen once this season already.

As for fic - I'll probably end up writing more Captain John. I love Captain John!
Hilaryelenopa on April 4th, 2008 10:59 pm (UTC)

So we've lost two.

I did wonder how much longer they could do the dead Owen thing. They'd made it that he couldn't heal himself (as we were reminded by the piece of lame dialogue given to Gwen last week), and he couldn't keep coming through things unscathed.

So it was Tosh in Doctor Who that time. Shame about Tosh, as she never really got a good chance at a love life.

I wonder if Jack knew there was a future version of himself frozen in the hub?

How did they all manage to get in that car?

So, will there be a third season? Who will we get to re-populate the team? Definately need a medic of some sort, and a computer genius. Perhaps we could have that one from Doctor Who, who got a computer chip in his head. Complete interface with the computer.
Valderys: Ianto - who's the teaboy now?valderys on April 5th, 2008 10:30 am (UTC)
There's definitely a third season - it's been commissioned already. I wonder if we'll get Martha as a regular - it might be nice to see Jack with someone who thinks of him as an equal, not as a boss.

Personally, I agree with Burn Gorman in Declassified - I think Owen's slithered off to be King of the Weevils in the sewers - since we don't actually see him bite the dust :)

It was a lovley bit of dialogue, with the space pig reference - touching, heart-warming, AND filling in a plot hole, you can't beat that!
Sarahmorganmuffle on April 4th, 2008 11:27 pm (UTC)
I find my rbain just ignoring the 1900 years bit entirely, it's too crazy for words otherwise (unless perhaps Jack is secretly very good at inducing some kind of fake coma thing in himself or some other such fixit)

Grey was... I got no feeling for how long he'd actually been with those creatures. From a child to his age as we saw him? Or hundreds of years (presumeably not) but it was kind of creepy, the sort of bad guy that is actually worse in the good guys head.
Valderys: Ianto - who's the teaboy now?valderys on April 5th, 2008 10:36 am (UTC)
Ooh, coma's a good one - like a hibernation effect. I like that - it makes more sense anyway.

To be fair, I got that for Jack it was more devaststing that Grey was the way he was - but for me as a viewer? I don't know - I think, for me, he was a bit of an anti-climax after Captain's John's antics. Which I know he was supposed to be a foil for... *sigh* Dramatically I know why they went the way they did, it somehow just didn't work for me. Perhaps they needed an actor who was better at emoting with just their eyes - this guys didn't cut it, quite.
summerstreesummerstree on April 7th, 2008 08:23 pm (UTC)
I don't think Jack revives until he is dug up in the 1900s. If you think about it, there's no air for him so he wouldn't be able to take that first gasp and I bet he knew that.

Here's an unofficial Jack timeline which I found quite amusing http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2363/2395941775_d49f60f903_o.gif

This series was so much better than the first
Valderys: Ianto - tea fixes everythingvalderys on April 7th, 2008 09:48 pm (UTC)
Oh wow! That's a great personal timeline! I laughed a lot :) Also, how does his coat survive 1900 years? He's got to have been down there less time than that! I'm going with my 'John dug him up later' idea because it explains the coat too...
alli_m: Karlalli_m on April 5th, 2008 08:09 pm (UTC)
I liked the episode, the 1900 thing didn't phase me too much, I suppose Jack dying and coming back so many times he might have actually "enjoyed" a bit of time out!

Grey was a bit 2-d, but I expect they didn't want to do the over the top master thing like at the end of Doctor Who but a bit more passion or maybe a bit like River in Firefly would have been a better play imho.

I shed a few tears, really like the death/goodbye scene with Owen/Tosh and the reaction of the rest of the team was spot on. Didn't really hear any spoilers except from a friend who had seen a John Barrowman interview about it which did set up my expectations of what was going to happen.

Looking forward to the next series.
Valderys: Ianto - tea fixes everythingvalderys on April 7th, 2008 09:41 pm (UTC)
Apparently, I may be wrong and the new series isn't definitely confirmed - it does seem bloody likely though - I wonder who'll they get to fill in the team?

With Grey - I think it would have worked if they'd picked an actor who could actually act a bit, as opposed to looking pretty... :)