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17 January 2008 @ 01:37 pm
OK, people all over my flist are squeeing about it, but I still want to join the throng. I thought it was fantastic! Just what's been missing all along.

Because, last season, as well as inconsistant plots and people, they had an overwhelming sense of despair and betrayal. And I think that works if you are already fond of those characters, but it was difficult for me to love any of them myself - I didn't know them (apart from Jack). This season, OTOH, they appear to be bonding them a bit more first. Which makes sense. You've got to put them up there, before you can knock them down, yes?

Anyway, things I loved:

* Jack/Ianto - the date, the office, the squee :) The fact that Ianto had more to do in this one episode than in the whole of the previous season. (I worry that Gareth David-Lloyd is not going to prove to be a good enough actor to pull it off...)

* Jack/John - oh, that was what was missing! Jack's past, come back to haunt him! OMG wasn't John the mad bad stalker ex! So lovely to see James Marsters looking so fine, and cool!

* The References - 'Help me, Obi-wan Kenobi' - fantastic! Although the Buffy gratuitous blond reference made me roll my eyes a bit - but while smiling.

* Owen - even Owen wasn't as annoying this time round. And is it me, or is Burn Gorman cuter this year? The stupid leaning and shooting things from the car window was Owen-ish, but that was about it. This bodes well, I feel.
Our Drama Queen: torchwood jack john kiss unleashedourdramaqueen on January 17th, 2008 02:09 pm (UTC)
Jack/Ianto omgsqueee! I so want to see them on that date - whenever they get around to it... :)

OMG wasn't John the mad bad stalker ex! - *snigger* That's quite an accurate description! I like James better in brown than in peroxyde blond, I have to say - and less gaunt looks better on him too, IMHO.

It does seem that Jack's absence bonded the team quite a bit, which can only be good. :) Last season I had major problems with finding any sympathy for Owen, with the exception of a few moments maybe - I hope this year will be better overall in character depth and development and consistency. It certainly started out promising! :)
Valderys: Torchwood - Jack/Johnvalderys on January 17th, 2008 05:09 pm (UTC)
I absolutely loathed Owen in the first season, to the extent that it coloured my watching of any scene he was in, so I was slightly surprised to find myself warming to him at all.

OTOH it made me cheer like a mad thing when John shot him!!! :)
Our Drama Queenourdramaqueen on January 17th, 2008 05:34 pm (UTC)
Ouch - now that's evil!!! :D
Kalypso: Perversitykalypso_v on January 17th, 2008 02:32 pm (UTC)
Owen's my favourite character - mostly on the strength of Burn Gorman's intense performance, though I think he is more interesting than the others, too. So I was a bit disappointed that he got hardly anything to do, and was slightly too nice when he did it.

Whereas Ianto's always disappointed me, because I thought he was going to be really interesting after the first episode, and he just turned out to be the one who cries a lot.

I was trying to work out whether JM's gratuitous blond thing was a reference to himself - if he'd been blond, saying that the team needed a blond would have tied in with his half-hearted attempt to persuade Jack to take him on at the end. But he wasn't blond, so it didn't work. Saying he liked blondes wasn't particularly funny.
Valderys: Torchwood - Jack/Johnvalderys on January 17th, 2008 05:18 pm (UTC)
Really? Your favourite character? Wow. I completely agree about the good acting, I don't blame Burn for hating Owen, but OTOH he is *such* an areshole. Even if you ignore the date-raping (which I found quite hard to do) he is IMHO an extremely unlikeable character. If he was a petty villain or such-like I could hate him with impunity, but he keeps being thrust into my notice and I, as a viewer, seem to be expected to feel sorry for him, which I just can't do. I liked it when he got shot though! :)

I agree about Ianto though - I was hoping for more last season too. I still think he *could* be an interesting character, precisely because he hasn't been developed that much so far. Besides, he's the only slash opportunity for me in this show, so I'm embracing it!

The gratuitous blond reference is shout-out to the Buffy fans, hinting at Buffy herself - or that's how I read it. As were all the 'isn't your team sweet?' references.
Kalypso: Perversitykalypso_v on January 17th, 2008 08:58 pm (UTC)
Well, there's no one putting up much competition! But, apart from Gorman having such screen presence that I can't take my eyes off him, I think Owen is the most interesting of them (except perhaps Suzie). There's the question of whether he is a date-rapist or not (julesjones was arguing last night that he wasn't). But if he isn't, he's still close enough to be badly shaken by his experience of the rapist-killer, which I think we're supposed to believe modifies whatever his behaviour is. And later he discovers a capacity for love which he's obviously never suspected. And all this happens without him saying "Oh dear, what a pig I've been, from now on I promise to be really nice." He learns, and develops, but he's still himself.

And yes, Ianto shooting him was one of my favourite moments, too. Certainly Ianto's best scene.

I picked up the Buffy reference, I just thought it would be much more interesting if he was talking about Spike/himself. But then, this is only Torchwood.

Edited at 2008-01-17 08:59 pm (UTC)