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19 July 2008 @ 10:52 pm
Dr Horrible  
Wah. I know Joss likes to go for the twist and the tragedy, but this wasn't right. I don't think the ending fit the feel or the themes of the rest of the show. Ok, it had shock value, but for a light comic musical? It didn't work for me.

What am I meant to take away? That Penny was wet and a bit boring, so needed to die? She got her homeless shelter built and got to shag Captain Hammer, so her life was now fulfilled and complete, and so it was ok?

And I felt so sorry for Dr Horrible. He got everything he wanted but at a terrible price. Which wasn't even his fault. It wasn't certain that he really was going to turn to the dark side. It wasn't even certain if he could have killed Captain Hammer, in the end.

The only person who got remotely what they deserved was Captain Hammer, but it wasn't enough.

I suppose I'm so annoyed because I didn't want, need or expect a tragedy. But that's what I got. Gee, thanks Joss.
 
 
 
my wings are like a shield of steel: I KNOW RIGHT????buckle_berry on July 20th, 2008 12:50 am (UTC)
i had convinced myself that penny was a bad horse investigator, which was probably asking for trouble. but still. curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal! joss is evil.
Kalypso: Washkalypso_v on July 20th, 2008 11:47 am (UTC)
I thought the only interesting thing they could do with Penny was have her be Bad Horse, but then you wouldn't have got the horse joke.

Actually, I think I liked the third act the best. It may not have helped that I watched all three at once after hearing everyone go on about it as the Best Thing Ever, but I spent the first two thinking "Well, this is quite nice, but I think I might enjoy it a bit more if they'd edited it down to ten minutes an episode. Or maybe several fives." (This may just be an instinctive reaction to musicals: "That was a nice song... oh dear, is there another verse?") But halfway into the third one I thought "Oh, they've raised their game a bit here." I was quite surprised to find that was the end, as it just seemed to be getting somewhere. Does the fact that the three acts added up to about the length of a typical American episode suggest it's really a pilot?
Valderys: Tea and Pillsvalderys on July 21st, 2008 10:12 am (UTC)
I loved the bits of the third act when Dr Horrible was going all bad-ass, that was fantastic! I don't know if it was a pilot - it was something Joss put together during the writer's strike, so I don't know what future there is in it. It would be great, but if it was done that way, it wouldn't continue as a musical - too much writing involved in a musical, I think. And even if he did, I'd be a bit distrustful of where Joss would take it, after the finale.
Valderys: Tea and Pillsvalderys on July 21st, 2008 10:08 am (UTC)
I think the twist was that we were all looking for ways Joss could subvert the genre, like Penny being Bad Horse - and then he didn't.

I've never been bothered about being 'jossed' before, but I suppose it was inevitably going to happen eventually! :)
smirnoffmule on July 20th, 2008 10:35 am (UTC)
I think the clue was in the "Joss" ;)

I haven't seen this yet *toddles off to watch*
Valderys: Tea and Pillsvalderys on July 21st, 2008 10:18 am (UTC)
Well. Yes. Except I haven't minded most of Joss's inevitable plot twists etc. (except what they did to Cordelia, which I still haven't forgiven) But this one seemed so... out of genre? Unfunny? Sexist?

Fantastic icon, by the way! :)
prochytesprochytes on July 22nd, 2008 08:01 pm (UTC)
Just to be contrary, I thought it was terrific. Even in Act One, we were getting indications that Dr. Horrible's psychology was more complicated than the standard Lovable Comedy Supervillain - witness his self-justificatory rhetoric about "the evils of the system" and how Captain Hammer was a "corporate tool". This made the transition to the bits where it becomes clear that you cannot be a Supervillain, Lovable or not, without making people miserable, or dead, or miserable and then dead, work much more smoothly. And I think that the vision of a supervillain who is not predestined to turn into what he is, but who stumbles into it through a combination of bad calls and bad luck is an unsettling and compelling one. It reminds me of the line the Joker gets in "The Killing Joke": "All that separates someone like you from someone like me is one bad day."

I could certainly have done with Penny being more interesting, though. Sorry you were Jossed. It is a good thing that phenomenon got named after Mr. Whedon: being "Jossed" at least has a faintly raffish and Bohemian air to it, whereas being (e.g.) Kringed just sounds painful...

By the way, I am going to rip off Captain Hammer's wonderfully toe-curling "Everyone's a hero in his own way" number whenever one of my Charisma 8 PCs makes a motivational speech...
Valderysvalderys on July 25th, 2008 07:09 pm (UTC)
I want Joss to be Kringed - that sounds fun! :) (Alright, I don't really)

Guess what? I'm halfway through my first substantial piece of Dr Who fic and I've just been Jossed by the bloody deleted scene published in the DW magazine! I'm cursed, that's what I am! :)

I'm feeling better about Dr Horrible now, BTW - Joss always does this, he gets me to invest, even in something as short as Dr Horrible. I still think Penny could have been handled better though - I wanted her to turn to evil because she could do good with it!
prochytesprochytes on July 29th, 2008 07:05 pm (UTC)
Guess what? I'm halfway through my first substantial piece of Dr Who fic and I've just been Jossed by the bloody deleted scene published in the DW magazine! I'm cursed, that's what I am! :)

Ouch. Many sympathies. I have been pretty lucky about being Jossed thus far. Usually it is because I tend to set things in the middle of earlier seasons for safety. That said, Ms. Dimitri and her UNIT associates in that one-off I ran were very lucky that I had not seen "Fragments" then. Things could have been a lot nastier, when you remember whose brain was being used to generate that dungeon...

Joss is indeed the master of investment. I love your idea of Penny turning evil for the good she could do, though. In fact, "Bad Penny" would be a fantastic name for an old-school Super-Villain.

"Bad Penny - She Always Turns Up!!!"